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UFOs over the Indian Point Nuclear Plant

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by Charles Lear beginning on New Year's

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Eve 1982 there was a series of sightings

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throughout the Hudson River Valley North

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of New York City by hundreds of people

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willing to go on the record they

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reported seeing boomerang-shaped craft

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the size of one two and three football

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fields that moved slowly hovered and

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turned on an axis this is according to

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the first comprehensive book on the

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sightings night Siege which was

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co-authored by JL and heineck Philip J

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and bronio and Bob Pratt and published

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in 1987. one of the standout incidents

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in the book covered in chapter 11 titled

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close encounter at Indian Point is a

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sighting by what are said by the authors

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to be security guards they are all

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unnamed over the nuclear power plant at

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Indian Point on the shore of the Hudson

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River in Buchanan New York just south of

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Peekskill New York Knight Siege is

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mainly an account of the investigation

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carried out by imbronio and team of

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local field investigators with the

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center for UFO studies of which heineck

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was the director the other investigators

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on the team are identified as Fred

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Dennis Sheila Sabo Who is credited as

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one of the silent authors of the book

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Chris Clark and George lesnake heinic is

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said to have flown in from Evanston

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Illinois to assist he died before the

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book was published and his widow Mimi is

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thanked for reading the manuscript and

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making suggestions according to the

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authors we had just taken part in a

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radio talk show the edge of reality with

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host Lee Spiegel on wnbc in New York

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City Spiegel gave out the team's phone

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number and the phone began to ring

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almost immediately one caller who said

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he was a New York state Power Authority

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police officer who worked at the Indian

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Point nuclear reactor complex as a

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security guard reported that he and 11

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other officers had had a UFO site

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getting while on duty on the night of

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July 24

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1984. according to him a huge UFO

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hovered over one of the reactors for

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more than 10 minutes the team was

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excited by this because that same night

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a UFO was caught on videotape about 20

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miles away by Brewster New York resident

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Bob pacioli Witnesses in Peekskill also

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reported that they'd seen a UFO over

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Indian Point that same night the caller

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given the name Carl in the book said

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that he and the others saw in the

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author's words something decidedly

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unconventional hover less than 300 feet

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above the exhaust Tower at reactor

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number three according to Carl the shift

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Commander was ready to give the order to

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shoot the object down according to the

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authors they asked if Carl would meet

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with them and Carl told them he'd need

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to get his supervisors okay he called

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the next day and said they were cleared

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to meet with him and some of the other

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guards at reactor number 5 although no

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tape recorders or cameras would be

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allowed the next day Carl called and

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said the meeting had been canceled by

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orders from State headquarters the team

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applied pressure to the plan manager by

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threatening to give the story to ABC

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news with which they had a relationship

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the manager relented and it was agreed

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that they could meet the guards but not

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on the grounds of the plan and a

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supervisor had to be present under these

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terms the team met twice with Carl and

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five other officers the first meeting is

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described as taking place on the night

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of September 12th in a restaurant in

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Peekskill and the authors neglected to

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identify the location or date of the

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second meeting due to the lateness of

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the hour during the first meeting the

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investigators only talked in depth with

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Carl and two of the five others Carl is

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described as talking for 45 minutes on

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tape for much of it during both meetings

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according to him he'd add a prior

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sighting on June 14th describing the

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June 14th sighting Carl said he was on

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patrol at reactor number three at around

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10 15 p.m and saw lights with a white

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and yellow Hue coming towards him from

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the Northeast moving Southwest he said

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he looked over at the next door Con

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Edison complex and saw 10 people there

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looking at the same object Carl called

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for someone to come out to where he was

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so he could get some confirmation and

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help if he needed it two guards came and

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they observed what they described as a

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boomerang pattern of lights that hovered

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for about 15 minutes he said the lights

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were about 10 times brighter than the

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security lights and that there was a

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dark Mass behind them that blocked the

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lights of a plane that passed behind it

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he estimated the object as being about

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300 feet across the object moved off

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towards peakskill at around 10 miles per

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hour Carl dismissed the idea that it

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could have been a formation of planes

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because of the 25 knot winds and the

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intensity of the lights he described it

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as turning as if it was lying on a wheel

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and that it moved with its apex leading

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Carl then described as July 24th

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sighting another guard saw it first and

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called out on his radio hey here comes

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that UFO again Carl another guard and

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two supervisors came out and the five of

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them observed what Carl described as

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being shaped like an ice cream cone

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there was a semi-circle of light

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changing from yellow to White and a red

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blinking light pretty far back the

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object blocked out the stars behind it

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and appeared to have a solid body about

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the size of three football fields it

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moved about five to ten miles per hour

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and took about five minutes to pass over

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them Carl said they were in awe of it

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according to him an order had been given

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to get ready to shoot it down and they

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had shotguns and were waiting for the

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final word to fire on it another officer

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described observing the object on a

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security Monitor and said he had to pan

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the camera almost 180 degrees to cover

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the entire object from front to back and

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bottom that looked like Hollow spheres

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of some sort according to the authors

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their notes from the two meetings

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contained additional information they

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report that the plant security system

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and the computer controlling security

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and communication shut down during the

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sighting and that the guards were told

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to forget about the sighting and that

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there was a security shake-up after a

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visit from the U.S nuclear Regulatory

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Commission the authors tried to get more

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information from the plant management to

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no avail according to them however Jerry

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culliton a reporter for the Mount Kisco

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New York radio station wvip did manage

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to get an acknowledgment from Carl

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that there were sightings but Patrick

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added that four Cessna Pilots had been

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arrested after an investigation by New

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York State Police according to the

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authors there were no arrest records to

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back this up the story hit the papers

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with an article by John Craig published

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on January 12 1985 in both the Nyack New

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York Rocklin Journal News and the White

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Plains New York reporter dispatch

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headlined nuke plant guards report

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hovering UFOs in the news and UFOs did

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aliens buzz Indian Point plant in the

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dispatch in bronio is the main source

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but Craig interviewed several people

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Patrick confirmed there was an incident

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but added it's a six-month-old story

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Craig got a second-hand witness Larry

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rossback a resident inspector with the

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NRC saying he heard guards talking about

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the incident the next day who said they

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saw the object as for the shotguns Craig

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quotes John brancifort a power Power

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time many papers covering the Hudson

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Valley sightings were including the

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explanation that pranksters flying

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Cessna 152s were responsible and that

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was the opinion of two New York state

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police officers Patrick and Kenneth V

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Spiro according to Patrick in spite of

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the night Siege author's insistence to

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the contrary he didn't know of any

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regulations that restrict the airspace

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around Indian Point Craig credits

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culliton with breaking the story on the

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radio that week and then closes with

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quotes from Joan Holt of the New York

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public interest research group the group

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was opposed to nuclear power and Holt

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said that's a new angle I never thought

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about the risk of UFOs she said the

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incident brought up the concern of how

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to in Craig's words secure the plant

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from pranksters and wondered if the lack

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of an official statement for six months

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meant that the incident was taken too

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lightly or too seriously bolt added we

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have enough known dangers at Indian

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Point without having unknown dangers

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thanks to Linda Zimmerman for her

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thoughts she has researched Hudson

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Valley UFOs extensively and written

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multiple books on the subject Charles

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Lear is the author of The Flying Saucer

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